A Walk In The Woods
OK troops, I need your help on this one. Yesterday one of my life’s unanswered questions came up for me big time. Once again I did not have a sufficient answer. This morning I decided to turn to you, dear readership, to see if you might be able to shed a little light on the subject.

You see, I took a walk in the woods – Muir Woods to be exact — one of Northern California’s great redwood forests. My wife, Julia, and I had a rare day off and after spending the morning being tourists at Fisherman’s Warf in San Francisco, decided to get in a little nature — literally. Neither of us had ever been to Muir Woods and I had never experienced our country’s amazing giant redwood trees, though I had certainly read a lot about them and seen the pics.
So we walked among these giants for a couple of hours in awe of their splendor, their majesty and their lives. The day was perfect — cool but warm, one of those Northern California days that make you realize the God must live in Northern California. By the end of our walk my neck was stiff from looking to the heavens, my feet tired, and my brain in a frazzle.
At one point I stood before one family of mammoth trees and wept at the thought of them standing together in such incredible strength, waving softly in the wind as the world went by below for the last 1100 years or so. Time shrunk and then expanded and then simply slipped away as I tried to wrap my mind around the magnitude of their trunks, their bodies, their lives as trees, their time on earth living, standing, waving in the sun.
Many years ago I took a beautiful red and orange fallen leaf to my spiritual teacher and, holding the leaf before him, I asked, “What is this? If all matter is an illusion, then what is this that I hold in my hand? What is God’s relationship to this illusion? Did he make this? If not, then who did? I’m not sure I quite buy the idea that there is a mother out there somewhere named Nature who sits and makes leaves every day. But if matter is unreal, then God perhaps does not even know about our human belief or misconception of this illusion called ‘leaf’.”
My teacher looked at me and smiled. I, of course, expected a simple and bases clearing answer. After all, he was the teacher and I had turned to him for all the answers of late. Here’s the gist of what he said. “God did not make or manufacture the leaf. Let’s, rather, think of Him as the designer or even the design itself. In other words, not the material object, but the thought behind it.”
I tried to imagine God sitting around all day in His workshop (sorta like Santa) designing leaves, but knew I was being childish, shallow and a bit silly. As I have worked with these thoughts over the years, I have come to imagine that God created, not a leaf, but the logic for leaves, the intelligence for design, but not the actual leaf or even leaf blueprint. God created the concept of creativity, but not the object of creativity – simply the ability to create.
In my case, as a composer, God gives me the creativity and I, in turn, pass on to you the song. On the other hand I experience sometimes that God just says to me, “Oh hell, Pete, here’s the whole song kit and caboodle” and then just pours it through me. In these cases, God is the creator and the manufacturer and I am simply the vessel.
Now we’re getting to the confusion of the day, you see. Now you’re perhaps beginning to see the question. Let me try to frame it. Where does God’s work stop and ours start? What does He or It do and what do we do? How much of it all is God’s doing and how much of it is the redwood tree’s? If matter is unreal and illusion and God, we must deduce, is no part of this unreality, then why even the supposition of the leaf, much less this magnificent tree?
This family of trees that I spent time with just yesterday was so beautiful, so full of goodness, so reflective of God’s goodness and eternal majesty, so huge in its life force, so much the creation of what could only be God’s. To say that God had nothing to do with this tree would be, it seems at this moment, nothing short of blasphemous. If there was ever a material representation of God’s creation, it seemed to me yesterday that this was one.
So what part does God play? Doesn’t God play all the parts? Then the real question is…?
Here I am and I don’t even know the real question. So many questions, it’s hard to focus down to the one. Guess I gotta go learn a little or a lot more, think it all out on a deeper level, hit the desert for forty days and forty nights. Perhaps you have some thoughts on this. Perhaps you can help clarify.
Why did these trees turn my thinking upside down when I thought I understood the leaf? Aren’t they essentially the same? Yes, but oh those trees and their majesty and the centuries of time and the alteration of space and the consideration of the universe all made for a most interesting walk in the woods.
Peter, I love how Nancy described the spiritual qualities that she feels when she’s in the Redwood Forest — or the Carlsbad Caverns. Especially “giant gentleness.” That sounds like Jesus: a gentle mental giant!
I also love that Mary Kimball Morgan quote Nancy gave you. It’s a keeper.
What’s most helpful to me is the two-letter word “as.” Meaning this: God expresses Herself AS me, AS you, AS every individual idea She creates. That takes away, for me, the feeling of separation, as if there’s God over here and me (or you) over there. We’re one. There can be no creator without the created. And vice versa. Every phenomenon has to produce a noumenon.
This morning I was reading an account of spiritual growth and resultant physical healing in the July 6th Christian Science Sentinel (p. 25) and what struck me were these two sentences: “I also loved how, in the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus spoke of keeping our eye ‘single’ and then our whole body would be ‘full of light’ (Matt. 6:22). To me, ‘eye’ represents focus, and ‘body’ is consciousness, or the substance of thought,….”
The body of the Redwoods is the consciousness that created them — that is, the divine Mind. They simply manifest that infinite Mind. How cool is that!!!!
Hey, Pete (to quote you using your own nickname), I bet at some point real soon you’re gonna shout: “I know now! I know now!” Not intellectual knowing. But feeling-it-in-your-heart-kind-of-knowing. The only kind of knowing worth knowing, ya know?
I guess, Peter, we are all on this wonderful adventure together and just as travelers do, we each see different vistas, or see the same vista differently as we go along. But we are on the same trip going in the same direction.
I would add one more thought to what I wrote yesterday. The Redwood tree can do nothing of itself (nor can we). However, the Redwood tree reflects its author in its individual way. God speaks to each of us individually. We express and reflect God individually. I think that might answer the question of creativity. God didn’t use a cookie cutter. Every snowflake is unique and every expression of man is unique. All reflecting the one Ego. In essence I think what your teacher was saying in this regard is that we have at our disposal all that God gives. And we can delight in each other’s expression of good and beauty and talent without any tinge of envy or any sense of deprivation. God does not short-change us. ” Son, thou are ever with me and all that I have is thine”.
Finally, Peter, I want to thank you for the wonderful production for the annual meeting. I read your whole account of it to our church group after a Wed.nite meeting. Hearing that hymn and watching those faces never fails to bring tears of gratitude. Julia’s rendition in Zulu (the language is so soft) was the perfect closing.
That’s about enough from me for awhile. Such a joy to talk with you.
Nancy,
Thanks for writing. I’m going to have to spend some time studying your thoughts here. Having read this just once, I feel the need to really take some time with these ideas and let them soak. This certainly is full of answers to my questions and terrific points of view on your part. I deeply appreciate and honor your thinking here. Am I trying too hard to work this all out through the “matter-based realm”? Probably. It’s just that here I sit — seemingly in the ‘matter-based realm’. I present the same type of conundrum in last night’s posting entitled, “Information Technology” where I would imagine your answers and advice would be pretty much the same. I guess I’m just another guy trying to figure it all out.
Anyway, thanks for all your prescient ideas. Full of good stuff to ponder and test.
Peter, I think you already know your answers for the most part and are just trying to get some deep thinking going out here. Way to go.
St. Paul said, “Now we see through a glass darkly—“. Mary Baker Eddy once commented about a lovely flower, “I love your promise”. These spiritual seers knew that reality was entirely spiritual. No matter how beautiful, a material conception is an obscured image of the perfect idea.
The tree exists, but not as matter. Matter is the material conception that mortal mind projects, or perhaps ,more aptly said, interprets. The tree is a real spiritual idea–a compound idea with form, function, outline and color. It is part of God’s spiritual universe reflecting grand ideas–all good. In our present stage of experience, in order to improve our understanding of spiritual reality, we need to translate what we see into spiritual qualities–into the mental realm of ideas.
I live near the Redwoods and whenever I have an opportunity to walk or drive through a Redwood grove, I feel as though I am in the hush of a giant cathedral. It is always awe-inspiring. But that which inspires such awe is the sense of majesty, nobility, quietness, giant gentleness, the evidence of patience, persistence, the thought of timelessness, the consciousness of now being forever. I had the same experience when I sat for a few hours almost alone in the depths of Carlsbad Caverns–that sense of the eternal now. In my experience of “now” was the evidence of eons of water solidifing into stone. And it was occuring as I sat there, drip by drip. So to my sense, it wasn’t the height and girth of the tree, it wasn’t the coarseness of the bark, the bed of branches underneath, it wasn’t the stone or dripping water in the caves– it is what they were saying to me beyond what I could see and hear, coaxing my thought to higher spiritual views of God and the universe and, yes, my place in all of that.
You answered your own question “where does God’s work stop and ours start?” when you spoke of reflection. There is no start or stop–there is only the continuity of reflection, God and His/Her idea–man and the universe. The Redwood tree of its own self can do nothing.
You quoted your favorite Einstein saying that (in essence) things exist because we see them rather than the more common assumption that we see them because they exist. I love that, too. However, this really still remains in the matter-based realm, even though the mental nature of what the senses perceive is admitted. It doesn’t do away with matter entirely. If we take to heart the first chapter of Genesis that God made all, all was good, and God’s work was done, then we have to conclude that everything does exist before we see it. Then if creation is of God, Spirit, then the substance of creation is spiritual–idea. Now we are on totally spiritual ground without matter in the equation. Creation appears or unfolds to the receptive thought. I have a photo of an abstract painting, basically splotches of color without apparent design, under which is a quote by Mary Kimball Morgan which states: ” God reveals Himself as rapidly as human experience is ready for the revelation.” Thus all of creation already exists and is ever appearing–as we become ready to see it. The ideas are already there to become the outward and actual in our human experience. Receptivity opens the door to revelation. For now this is what I feel I can see. Certainly not bullet-proof, but miles from where I once was.
Thank you, Peter, for encouraging me to think deeper today.